I haven’t blogged for awhile. Some friendly spammer brought this to my attention by liking a post. So I thought I had better write something.
When my mind scrambles to think what to write, it goes a thousand directions. The most obvious thing to write about would be a reasoned answer to Atheists about Christianity. The below text contains post & comments in full of myself and people whom I have received approval from to repost their writing. Not all comments are included, to reduce the length of this piece. I hope you get the idea.
“The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.” – Proverbs 18:17 ESV
Original post by ******: “After having engaged with Christians on here for a few years now I’ve concluded that most are simply incapable of giving an adequate defence of their faith. If they really have the truth why do they so often evade hard questions and engage in intellectual dishonesty? I realise atheists, etc can be like this too but from my experience it is much more prevalent with believers.”
*****: “I agree. Most people in general can’t offer a very good defense for the things they believe. It’s sad that we’ve lost the ability to think as a society. 😢” ( four people either liked or were sad about this comment)
***: “Yes indeed. I find this all the time!!
The ones that do try to offer a defense are often so blinded by dogma and bias that it’s almost impossible to connect in any meaningful way
“I find that connection is the key here. If I push too hard against their paradigms, they put up bigger walls and dig deeper into their biases.
Finding a way to relate on some sort of equal terms can be almost impossible.”
*****, replying to the above “*** hmm, most atheists are the same way. I’ve never heard a rational defense for atheism.”
***, in reply, ” *****, that’s a really strange comment.
Atheism is simply the rejection of deities. It has no theories or doctrines. It’s just a position that says there’s not enough evidence to satisfy the criteria for belief.
Atheists don’t need a defense. The onus is on deists to provide evidence. You don’t need a defense for rejecting something that has no empirical evidence.
However I get what you are trying to say.
Let’s put it this way – deists have been trying to “prove” there is a god. Atheists are not satisfied with the evidence presented. If the evidence was good enough, then they would be converting by the millions.”
… more comments and a request for me to spend some time thinking about how to answer…
So I said: “I will try to spend sometime on this for you later today. The fact of the matter is that I have a very busy life. I use of wheelchair and care about all sorts of ways of helping people. But I will have it go at looking through what you have said.”
Me: “It is true that theists and in particular Christians should be able to give good evidence for their viewpoint. Christians are told to be ready to give an answer for the hope that is within them with gentleness and genuinely with honour of God. (1 Peter 3.15).
However it is also true that an intellectually honest atheist should be able to provide a compelling logical argument and evidence to back their claim there there is no God.
All the good evidence in the world cannot force someone to believe something when God has given them free will and they choose another lifestyle. Ultimately belief is a matter of the heart. Therefore we can make good arguments, and there are plenty of apologists for Christianity on YouTube making very good arguments. However if people have a heart that chooses to believe something else then God allows the them to do that.”
I replied to another comment by *******:
“*******, We are told to give an answer to everyone who ask us, as I previously wrote.
So you make an absolute claim that there is no defense. You could be intellectually honest and say, “To the best of my knowledge have never come across a reasonable defense.”
This is where I would like to appeal to logic. Logic like if A then B ect. I am sure you could do a short course on logic if you look for it. I believe in logic because I believe that a logical God created the Universe and created us with the ability to reason. You may follow logic for a different reason. But logic works in this universe. Just like maths works. If logic does not work then there is no proof for anything because proof is a concept in logic.
I hereby propose that the proof that God exist is that without him it is impossible to prove anything. Can you please provide a different example of why logic would be consistent and true if we live in a universe that randomly created itself with no intelligent maker? See John chapter 1 for a description and explanation of whom this Logos is.
******* mentioned faith end it there the Apostle Paul did not need faith after he saw the risen Lord Jesus. It is true there evidence and things that convince us of God are good. However, later in his life Paul said that “The life i now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God who died for me.”
I have not yet got do your comment that followed this, ***. Thanks for your patience. Have a good day.”
****** responded. “Thank you for taking the time to respond Lydia, though I’m not sure I’d agree with your claim that without God it would be impossible to prove anything. I can prove 4-2 =2 by taking 4 oranges and then removing 2 of them showing that there is only 2 left. I don’t need God to do this.”
My reply: “I know this is true. You can repeat logical or mathematical experiments and they can be consistently accurate. How about my proposal is that the only reasonable explanation for why there is such a thing as logic and truth in the universe is because it was created by a logical God.
A God who hangs the earth on nothing and sits above the circle of the Earth. A God whose Glory it is to conceal a matter but who has given kings the glory of finding things out. (Proverbs 25.2) A God who created and sustains everything he has made. “And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. Colossians 1:17 NIV”. “
Reply to another comment:
“*** I’ve read your second comment there and I do not think at the basis for believing all beliefs are subjective is correct. There is objective reality and surely you must agree that it is conceivably possible to have a belief that does match up with objectives realities.
I do agree with your statement about checking out what is true and only believing what stands up to the test and will bear fruit in our lives and in the lives of others for good, and help us all get on together.”
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